oreilly@foxnews.com. when writing the factor do not be mendacious. remember the spin stops here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> sean: we are 46 days from the midterm elections. tuesday's primary night was a clear indicator of what americans are looking for this november. biggest upset was tea party favorite christine o'donnell defeating congressman mike castle for delaware's republican senate nomination. castle's name was added to the long list of prominent establishment candidates that were sent packing this political cycle. joining me with reaction minnesota congressman michelle bachmann is back. welcome back. >> sean, thank you, always a pleasure. sean one after another. establishment vs. tea party. tea party wins. what is happening in the country? >> i think clearly, the american people have said congress isn't listening to us.

they decided to speak. so the people spoke with a very i would say uniformed voice in a race in particular in delaware that you mentioned. people identified mike castle, with a candidate that j obama agenda, which is out of control spending, tax increases that are planned and job-killing bills. they've said no, they don't want it. whereas, christine o'donnell represents the new kind of candidate that is listening to the people. who is clearly said she opposes spending increases. she won't be voting for any tax increases. she is also going to repeal very bad bills like the government take over of health care. she is pro jobs that's what are seeing this fall. people who are looking at the candidates and saying, who will best reflect what i believe? clearly, they are hearing that message from tea party candidates. >> sean: what do you make of the establishment's slash and

burn tactics leading into the primary tuesday and reaction of some after? even mike castle's reaction. wouldn't call her. from the night she won, saying he wouldn't endorse her the day after. what is this? why do you think the establishment is acting this way? what do you think the consequences are gonna be? >> i think clearly, there was shock that occurred after each of these elections. whether it is marco rubio. whether it is ken buck. whether it is joe miller in alaska. all across the country we've seen the same level of shock. by now you would think they would figure it out. this shows again, that there's still people who aren't listening to the people. the people are telling us with one voice. we can't stan the spending of speaker pelosi, obama and reid. we can take these tax increases around the corner one second after midnight on new year's eve. huge tax increases, people don't want them.

number three, the job-killing agenda of speaker pelosi and president obama. they are saying no. by the way, repeal obamacare. i think the message is clear. we take that message to the polls in november and the conservative candidates will win. >> sean: i agree with you. i don't think it is that complicated. >> i agree. >> sean: we saw last sunday when john boehner was on "face the nation" he made the statement he might be able to go along with a compromise of the extension of bush tax cuts which would not include every american. he seemed to -- the reaction was sure and swift by conservatives and the tea party. people like me say wait, what did you mean by that? we want tax cuts across the board. those who said they are not going to repeal health care have been confronted by conservatives. do you think the leadership is fully getting it? >> there's a very strong message that the people want

us to hear. you have said it, number one it is get rid of the big spending, which leads to big deficits, kills jobs. number two, we don't want the federal government to control private industry or own private industry, get out of it. they want our leadership to reflect that view. they are willing to put into office, constitutional conservatives. now they want to make sure our leadership will reflect constitutional conservative values. republicans will only get one chance sean. the patience of the american people is very, very thin. our leadership has to reflect what the people are trying to tell us. >> sean: we saw what happened in 2006. republicans were fired. i would argue they were fired because they abandoned some of their principles and paid a heavy political price in the two recent election cycles. we'll see what happens in 48 days. we are told and the polls show this could be a huge, massive year for the republican party.

i was encouraged when minority leader mcconnell and boehner said, they would take spending and move it back to 2008 levels. mcdonald the new governor of virginia moved it back to 2006 levels. is that a good enough start in your mind? >> we have to make commitments. put them on the table that we will ramp spending back significantly. remember, president obama increased the federal spending by 25% in about 24 months. consider that the federal government was not a lean, mean machine before president obama took over. so these are good beginnings. we need to be very clear. i think you are going to hear clear prescriptions from republicans going forward. they have to be bold statements that are going to turn our country back toward prosperity. then we'll inspire the confidence of the people. again, no one should take a landslide for granted. i want to damp down

enthusiasm. there is no given that the republicans will take over the house or the senate. only if we work very, very hard. i know that in my own race. we had to work extremely hard in order to win in fall. >> sean: we had young guns on the program earlier this week. they wrote a book, they were talking about the conservative ascendancy. i said it is interesting you use the word "conservative" and not republican. they said there will be a document, republicans are putting forward, a plan, proactive agenda, that they are going to promise if the republicans get the majority back. i couldn't get the specifics out of they will. you used the term that i'm using. it's gotta be bold. how would you michelle bachmann define bold in terms of specifics that you think need to be in there? >> i have some articles that i'm writing now to that effect. to be bold, we have to dramatically cut spending so we are never again spending

more money than what we take in. we need to tell the american people we will not increase taxes as president obama has already promised he's going to. huge tax increases. there's things we can do with taxes. i'm a tax attorney. i wish i had more time to tell you what more of those ideas are. >> sean: good to see you, thank you. >> thank you sean. >> sean: california congressman nunez is here to talk about his new book. he explains what washington needs to do to restore the republic. that, straight ahead. m protecti. it helps remove plaque at the gumline, helpinprevent gingivitis. and it's even been clinically proven to help reverse it in just four weeks. new crest pro-health clinical toothpaste.

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in the post-war baby boom era of the 50s and 60s, california enjoyed agricultural, educational infrastructure, business and population growth while blossoming into a world ranked economy that consistently out-performed that of the rest of the u.s.. by contrast today the state is plagued by a multitude of problems. last year personal north carolina fell 2.5% the worst fall since the great depression and unemployment at nearly 13%. illegal immigration is costing the state billions a year. california faces an estimated 19 billion dollar deficit. the state has yet to pass a budget for the fiscal year which started july 1st. the lack of which is costing taxpayers roughly 52 million dollars a day. on july 28th, governor schwarzenegger was forced to declare a financial state of emergency. more and more companies are fleeing the state to escape the horrible business climate and high taxes. the bread basket of central

california is drying up into a blighted desert. it resums the dust bowl due to radical environmentists effort to restrict water supply to protect the state's fish. more specifically, a three inch bait fish called the delta smelt an outrage we brought your attention to last year when we took hand think there live. perhaps no one more aware than california's dire straight than devon nunez a republican congressman from the once agriculturally rich area. in his new book he offers fresh and innovative ideas and how to tackle all of the menacing problems threatening the future of not only california but the entire nation. joining me now california congressman devon nunez is with us. good to see you. >> great to see you again. >> sean: the water hasn't been turned on as aside on top of

what 13% unemployment, income going down for the people of california. so goes california, so goes the country? >> that's part of the reason why i wrote this book. people need know that the politics in california have been exported to washington, d.c.. i wanted to point out all the problems that we faced in california and how those relate to the same problems that are going on now and how we are drifting to this social utopia that i have a little familiarity with. when you see water cut off. unemployment in my district close to 20%. the community you were in almost 40% unemployment. >> sean: and the government because of that fish we just showed you the delta smelt they care more about fish than the farmers and the people and they still have not resolved the issue. it is interesting, as i'm reading your book and look at your agenda and things you are advocating. you are taking on things a lot of politicians aren't willing to touch.

redistricting, you want to end it. energy independents, drilling, social security, medicaid, medicare you are willing to deal with it. george bush tried, politicians don't want to touch it that will mean they take away some entitlements. taxes, immigration, education, foreign policy seems that is the winning agent the country understands after barack obama that conservative values will work. why won't more republicans take on the tougher issues? >> as my good friend paul ryan says, no one wants to walk through the fire. meaning no one wants to touch these entitlements, take on the big issues, because it is hard to go out once people have been promised something an entitlement, it is tough to take it away. >> sean: let me tell you something. if they raise the age of social security. if they means test social security, after i'm at the end of the baby boom generation. and they take away my

retirement, to me, that would be stealing my money. is that one of the answers? >> no, the reality is, if we act now, the sooner we act the better off we are. in the bill we put forward it is to save social security not end it. despite the rhetoric you heard on the other side. >> sean: save it by raising the retirement age? >> anybody over the age of 55 stays on the existing program. >> sean: it may shock you i'm under 55 by a lot. >> so you are on the new program if you want you can stay on the old program. i would bet you would rather be under the new program. >> sean: because i get to choose and control? >> you choose and control. >> sean: that i would like. what happens to the i paid in up to this point? >> it would stay in the system. the question that we are looking at today is, it is not a matter of social security, medicare and whether or not

the republicans have bad ideas and we are trying to end these programs. the programs are going to end because the country is collapsing under the debt we are incurring. >> sean: a lot of my conservative friends are concerned that republicans who win this election will be motivated, go out and vote, will they return to their conservative values? >> that's why i wreath in book. >> sean: do you have concerns that some of your colleagues, maybe not in the house, that maybe the senate might go back to prior to 2006 and '07 where i think they lost touch with their conservative views? >> that's why i wrote this book. i want people, the american people have to know how big the problems are and there are ways to deal with them. one of the things that politicians quickly say, it is a very complex problem. you hear that all the time the problems aren't that complex. they just have to be dealt with rational i try to break

them down, use examples of how these things got to the place they are today. put forth actual legislation before congress. >> sean: i don't think it is tough. live within your means. balance the budget. stop buying votes. eliminate earmarks. become energy independent. strong national defense. control the border. >> it is almost that simple. >> sean: it really is that simple isn't it? >> yes. >> sean: thank you. let not your heart be troubled our great, great, great american panel is straight ahead. ♪

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>> sean: tonight on our great american panel he's a columnist with the "wall street journal" john fund is back. former mayor of providence he hosts his own radio program the buddy cianci show.

vincent buddy cianci is here. she a political consultant republican strategist noelle nikpour is with us. big story of the week we cannot talk about this enough. establishment tea party, tea party establishment. what is happening? >> one or two things are gonna happen. a, i think the tea party is going to force the gop to go back to its roots, ultra conservative roots. or you are going to see the tea party emerge as a third party. >> sean: third or second party? seriously. look this is a really interesting question. we had this moment with the nrsc was out there and the senator committee. hesitating about giving her money and supporting her. mike castle, big crybaby -- >> don't you think the gop has a hard time with letting the old out and bringing the new in?

>> sean: i'm sorry the voters -- annoying people called voters get in the way with their agenda. >> you got to understand, doug schoen wrote a book recently called "mad as hell." he defines who the tea party is. before you decide where they are gonna go, who are they? he says number one, they are political newcomers. they have not even been voting before. and they are mad at big government, of spending. -- barrage of spending. the second group are those political independents, sometimes a democrat, sometimes republicans. democrats don't like the big spending. they think their party has deserted them. republicans are anti-k street. big business and all that and the third group -- >> sean: wait a minute. >> the third group are those core republicans who don't have a home in the republican party any more. >> don't you think the tea

party going to hold the gop's feet to the fire to force them to get back to the roots -- >> yeah. the democratic party went through this before. in the 60s every left wing person trying to get into the democratic party they took in lesbians for the metric system all that stuff. now they've embraced all that >> there's -- we just had a whole bunch of primaries it is clear the tea party kicked the establishment's rear end. these are growing pains. the establishment is going to slowly figure out how to get along with the tea party because they have to. the tea party is not going to be its own party. election rules mean you have to work within the internal structure. and, i predict that now that the primaries are over, all of the tension inside the republican party is going to be redirected to the democrats on the ballot on november 2nd. and the time for them to see warfare is over. now everybody is a common enemy. [ talking over each other ]

>> sean: if there's any intramural battles going on, it is democrats that don't want to be seen near barack obama. it is interesting all democrats running against health care. >> what do they have to run on? nothing has been successful. look at the stimulus, not successful. our economy still not fixed. banks are still not lending. what are they running on? >> this country will always be governed from the center, a little to the left sometimes -- [ talking over each other ] >> analysts looked at all the money democrats are spending. 3.5 times the money is spent by democrats right now against obamacare versus ads for obamacare. even the democrats -- >> sean: here's the interesting thing. democrats cannot run on their agenda. they are rediesed to a -- reduced to attacks. they are not running on stimulus, health care, obama,

reid or pelosi. they are all running. that means the country has graded them failures. now the only thing they are reduced to is personal attacks. >> you are going to see more of that. >> halloween scare tactics before halloween arrives. >> i think the tea party, you are right it can be a party they don't endorse anybody -- >> what do you mean the tea party can't be a party they are doing it now. why not? >> in rhode island where i come from they make it specifically known they don't have any leaders. [ talking over each other ] >> nevada, michigan being talk to sharron angle, [ talking over each other ] >> i think the tea party is actually -- >> can they take donations? if i wanted to make a check out to the tea party now, can i make one out? >> i'm sure you can find a tea party organization. >> where? >> i don't know i'm not in the tea party. why are you saying they are

not effective? >> i think they are extremely effective. remember sometimes -- >> as a political fundraiser i look for the endorsement of the people. >> i think that vision sometimes without action is -- >> without action? >> with vision is you know, [ talking over each other ] >> sean: more with our great american panel, straight ahead. [ male announcer ] even before science was science,

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>> sean: as we continue with our great american panel. we've got a really tight senate race in . harry reid has been spending millions demonizing sharron angle. angle started fighting back. >> announcer: nevada families struggling with the nation's highest unemployment. reid votes to give special tax breaks to illegal aliens and illegal social security benefits even for the time they were here illegally. harry reid, the best friend an illegal alien ever had. [ laughing ] >> sean: it is only going to get better. >> this came at the worst time possible. think about everything that is going on. look at nevada as a state. housing crisis --

>> 14.3% unemployment. >> heinous for harry reid. look at the time. early voting, october 16th. >> sean: he denied they had a problem. >> that's a well done ad. >> sean: i think this is just beginning this is going to be super bowl sunday from now until election day. >> when you look -- harry reid is not -- you said it before he's toxic, radio active. nobody wants to stand next to him, with him, take pictures with him. that ad can't be helping in nevada. >> normally he would appeal to hispanic voters. he in ed hispanics the other day when he stood up and said i can't imagine why anyone who is hispanic would want to vote republican. what a patronizing insult. >> didn't he also say he was against people coming over and having the anchor babies here? >> yes. >> sean: we have a ceo of intel slamming obama and the stimulus.

when you have a lot of ceos as we have had many coming out against the administration, against stimulus, against their economic policies. >> you have said and i'll quote, i think this group does not understand what it takes to create jobs. speaking about congress and the administration. they don't get it? >> i don't think they do. they've not demonstrated date. >> what does washington need to do? 787 billion dollar stimulus, another 350 billion proposed by the obama administration? >> i wouldn't do the second one for sure. half of the first one spent yet. if i were king, i would consider not spending the first half -- the second half of the first one. it doesn't seem to be working. swimming pools in mississippi are not going to create lasting jobs. >> i love this guy. a ceo not afraid to put his money where his and say i run intel and i'm telling you, this does not work. also, it cost him a billion dollars if he wanted to put

his factory in the united states, it would cost him a billion dollars. that billion dollars -- first it is going to china. talk tack >> the billion dollars would have been passed on to the consumer. you and i would have been paying for that through his products, if he would have done it. >> i think people when they proposed the stimulus everyone said i guess you have to do it. now the stimulus hasn't worked. the stimulus that was used -- >> they haven't even spent it all. >> it was used to pluck state budgets having big problems. hundreds of millions of dollars. if you could satisfy, give people the appetite for another stimulus if you could say what is that final number that the stimulus is -- astronomical number we never heard it. what is it? when are we going to put a period? >> the stimulus has created vast uncertainty in the economy. no one would hire anyone today because you don't know what the policies are, regulations, cap and trade which is still

being debated. all of that is preventing businesses from moving forward that is the same thing that happened in the 1930s. the economic uncertainty created by washington froze the private sector. [ talking over each other ] >> obama wanted to be a global president, i'm the president of the world. what corporation overseas wants to come and end vest and put a factory here? the tax incentive is heinous. which means we are not creating jobs. the only jobs that are created were government jobs. >> sean: issues one, two, three and four in this campaign is the economy stupid. he has failed. he promised unemployment wouldn't go above 8%. we have record debt, record deficits. as much as he tried to blame bush he had to back away from that. they found another target, john boehner and his tan and he smokes cigarettes. most of america doesn't know who john boehner is. >> they know now.

>> sean: you can't demonize somebody in several weeks that takes years. >> stimulus has not worked. even the democrats say it hasn't worked. >> sean: were you a democrat? >> no independent. >> you started out as a democrat. desperation that's all i hear. don't talk about the issues. even marion francis berry said racism is to avoid joblessness. >> sean: guys thank you. head over to foxnation.com. lawrence wright his latest project in-depth look at roots of islamic extremist, next. ♪ [ male announcer ] every siness day, bank of america lends billions of dollars, to individuals, institutions,

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motivates people to take innocent lives through terrorism? my trip to al-qaeda available on hbo on demand. it was wright's reporting about the failure to get osama bin laden during the clinton administration sparked this dust-up with chris wallace on fox news sunday. >> do you think you did enough? >> no, because i didn't get him but i tried that's the difference between me and some including all the right wingers attacking me now. they had eight months to try they did not try. i tried. so i tried and failed. when i failed, i left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country dick clark who got demoted. >> sean: let pace go through the exchange. bill clinton explodes. chris wallace, major news.

you're part of it. your reaction? >> i felt my book was fair to both sides of this. the clinton administration and the bush administration. both had many things to answer for. i thought probably clinton blew his top unnecessarily. >> sean: i wondered in that exchange if this wasn't a little bit of theater on bill clinton's part that's my own suspicion. >> you think a political figure would be theatrical? >> sean: there's a lot of things here. my biggest problem with clinton is how many times bin laden was offered the united states by the sudan. i chronicled this, wrote about this, i talk about this at length and clinton passed. there was a tape that nobody paid attention to, even the 9/11 commission report. this drove me nuts. clinton was on long island speaking and he said i couldn't tell you, he hadn't broken any laws. you know the tape.

>> yeah >> sean: nobody would release that tape. i have an audio version of it. >> my feeling is we lost our best opportunity when he was in the sudan. it was a terrible mistake. when the sudanese ran him out at our instruction, they not only sent him away, they stole everything he had. they took all his money. and it was only a couple weeks after that, that he declared war on america. that was a terrible moment. >> sean: he says he knew that he was a throat america. he acknowledges that. -- he was a threat to america. he acknowledges that. this guy can thread the needle legally defining the definition of is and the word alone. i found that justification somewhat suspect. >> there was another lost moment. there were two other lost moments during that administration. and there were many in the bush administration as well. but, once clinton asked his

chief of staff, wouldn't it be great if we just sent ninjas into bin laden's camp in afghanistan and wipe him out? and the military was horrified by this. that's what special forces are trained to do. and we never put them into mill -- the military was afraid to do that, at that point. that was a lost moment. then we didn't retaliate for the uss cole in october 2000. >> sean: and that sent a message of weakness. >> that did. that's the ledger on the clinton side. the bush side has a lot to answer for. >> sean: what? >> conde rice didn't know about al-qaeda. she didn't understand the threat she was repeatedly warned. >> sean: richard clarke has no credibility. richard clarke has become a political partisan and a bit of a political hablg to me. i found his claims -- hack to

me. i found his claims and his writings and commentary, dubious and contradictory. >> i don't agree. he worked for both administrations. >> sean: he certainly developed a agenda, you can't deny. >> he worked for the obama campaign too. >> sean: well, there you go. he just doesn't have credibility with me. i'm not disparaging you for this. you ever an interesting moral dilemma maintaining objectivity as you report on islamic terror. explain the foundation of that. the difficulty, the quandary that you experienced in going through this. >> i've talked to a lot of bad people in my career. >> sean: some would argue you are talking to a bad person now, but go ahead. >> all americans after9/11, i was woundedek< angry. and i went to report this story in an environment where there's a lot of anger in

america. a lot of denial of responsibility. and that was infuriating to me. i sometimes just lost it. as a reporter, you don't want to do that. you want to get the information. you want to have a comfortable relationship with your sources and get them to trust you. >> sean: you are staring evil in the eye? >> it is hard to say this. but, when you have a really good source, you mainly want to get the information out of them. you try to put what they've done out of your mine. like in the documentary you will see one of zawahiri's men a part of al-jihad, a terror group in egypt. he tried to assassinate the prime minister. he put a car bomb near a girl's school and killed a little girl, 12-years-old, shame on him. now, yasser is a very

dangerous man with blood on his hands, no doubt. but he was a terrific source for me. he's a kind of historian of this movement. and i needed that information. so, yes i knew i was talking with. and i had to kind of that out of my mind in order to milk the information out of him. when i home, it was a different experience. i had to process that. >> sean: i guess my -- i don't know instinctive reaction is, if i'm staring evil in the eye i would want to destroy it. >> i faced that. i thought about -- suppose i got an interview with bin laden? that's not crazy, because western -- >> sean: i'd try kill 'em. >> as an american i want him out of here. as a journalist, i want his story. so i did contemplate, if i had that opportunity would i -- >> sean: what have you concluded? what you take him out?

>> i would try to get the story and then kill him. >> sean: fair enough. lawrence, thanks. coming up my interview with former buffalo bills' quarterback jim kelly and his wife jill. they are sharing with america their personal struggle they went through when they lost their 8-year-old son hunter to a rare illness. an incredible story of hope that you will more about, straight ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] ever have morning pain slow you down? introducing bayer am, an extra strength pain reliever with alertness aid to fight fatigue. so get up and get goin'! with new bayer am. the morning pain reliever. is to reprodce every color in the world on tv.

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>> sean: he was the buffalo bills' quarterback who led his team to four consecutive super bowl appearances landing in the hall of fame. jim kelly with his wife jill are sharing struggles off the

court. their son had a rare illness that took hunter's life when he was only 8-years-old not before teaching the meaning of hope and faith. jill details the family's struggle in a new book. jim and jill kelly join me now. good to see you. thank you for being here. are you doing all right? >> i'm doing great. >> sean: there is a strain on a marriage, separation, stressful life, pressure, famous husband. >> absolutely it is all over the news. not our relationship. you know, infidelity and especially with professional athletes. the statistics were against us. then we had a child with a terminal disease. our marriage was taken a hit every way. >> sean: you used the term our relationship darkened. >> in every way. i had to deal with my own bitterness and anger that i already had topped with all the situation that we dealt

with, with hunter. as much joy as hunter gave us, our marriage was falling apart. >> sean: hunter is , by the way, you're a quarterback. i assume my son is going to be quarterback one day normal thought process. for the first month he's okay. by the third month, you realize something is wrong? >> i mean, for me especially, this was born on my birthday valentine's day. i dreamt what all daddies dream about, playing in the backyard, fishing, hunting. we take him home thinking everything is going to be fine. four months into his life he's diagnosed with this fatal disease. >> sean: it is genetic? >> my wife and i carry a rare gene that makes up the disease. i had so many plans what we were gonna do. i had our life mapped out, what me and my son were gonna

did. >> sean: anybody can relate to the difficulty you have been through. it gets more heartbreaking. they told you he wasn't going to live past two years. >> that's what we were told. for the first year and a half of his life we treated him like he was dying. that's what we were told. until god intervened, we did not treat hunter like he was living and we all started living. >> sean: you have a whole story. you became a christian. >> i sure did. >> sean: that changed your life, literally, faith just changed everything. >> oh, everything. me personally. but how i look at and i treasure the breath that hunter was given. and i know that i will see him again. there's not a fiber in me that doesn't believe that. >> sean: almost like an intervention. people around you said you need god in your life. >> i was hopeless. were told there was no cure,

no treatment. i ran after god with all that i had. thinking and hoping and believing that maybe god has the answers to the suffering. the truth is, god did reveal suffering, but this is suffering of his son. and we could run to him for hope and i -- even to this day sean, i survive by my faith. >> sean: it was interesting. you write about how you spent very little intimate time together because of all this that was happening. now are dealing with hunter. did you deal with it separately? did you deal with it together? >> no, we dealt with it separately. we both, one of the major problems we had, no communication. she dealt with the illness one way, i dealt with it another way. i was raised with six boys and was taught never show emotions. six boys you shed a tear you got beat up. i never shed tears in front of jill. i always did it in my private

time. i was off doing my thing. jill was home with hunter and our two daughters now we have another one cameron. we dealt with it differently. one thing we lacked was communication. everybody has problems in marriage i don't care who you are. if you say you don't, you are lying. >> sean: simple answer to that. yes dear. and it works. >> i'm starting to realize that now. our communication was not there. we couldn't communicate until we seeked help pan a counselor and they pulled us together. >> sean: i don't know -- i remember reading something about cord blood. the umbilical cord blood. stem cells. my son is 11, going to be 12. my daughter just turned nine. i saved their core blood this is something you are urging parents to do. >> oh my goodness, yes i'm excited that did it. >> sean: yes, thank you. i just did it because i read one day in their life it might

be helpful to them in this case if people saved the cord blood it could help with this disease? >> it is a miraculous thing. cord blood can save a person's life. with hunter had we known, which we didn't, because there was no newborn screening. cord blood is now a treatment for his disease. we do advocate that you save your cord blood because it is precious. >> sean: when you say treatment it could save the life? >> yes. we know children now getting cord blood transplants and they are walking, talking and laughing and doing all the things you would hope for. >> sean: one thing i read in the book that irritated me was when you were pregnant again, you got nasty letters from people, because it is a genetic -- it is genetically passed on and there were odds that you could have this happen again. i'm thinking who are people to judge you or step into your life or to write you horrible

letter on top of the pain that you had already suffered. >> it was shocking. he's used to that kind of thing, obviously with -- >> sean: i'm used to it too. a lot of liberals hate my guts. i know it is hard to believe, but they do. that must have been tough. >> it was very tough. people that have negative comments want to be heard. unfortunately, that -- we have so much joy in all that it is going on. >> sean: you shut it off. >> oh yeah. >> learn how to push it aside you throw an interception, move on. >> sean: i've never had that experience of throwing an interception, but i was a pitcher. i had the great pleasure of flowing the ball over the backstop a couple times. i was on or off. >> i saw you throw before you have a good arm. >> sean: i'm getting there. even with the torn rotator. guys it is an inspiring book, great story, thank you both. that is all